Does Schism work in Windows 95?
Also, Are files saved with Schism backwards compatible with the actual Impulse Tracker program?
Thanks!
Maybe. Try it? Schism Tracker is platform independent, it all depends on the tools used for compilation. If they don't make use of any Windows functions that are only available on later versions, they should in theory build code that runs on any Windows installation. And yes, Schism Tracker reads and writes IT files that are compatible with Impulse Tracker itself.
Thanks for the info. Yeah I just installed Win98 on an obsolete laptop that I got, so I'm going to try it out soon :)
Hmm, I get an error:
The schismtracker.exe file is linked to missing export SHELL32.DLL:SHGetFolderPathW
Same error with Sunvox too :(
I wonder if it would be possible to download a newer version of the shell32.dll and put it in the Schism path?
Oh well, at least Impulse Tracker works so it's not really that much of a problem. :) Now to setup all that emm386.exe stuff, since I got about 20 "out of memory" errors when trying to load CHRIS31B.IT :P
Try KernelEx, IIRC it requires Win98SE but that's the only version of Win98 you'd want to "use" anyway. KernelEx injects updated system libraries into programs that need them.
http://kernelex.sourceforge.net/
Sounds cool. I'll try it! Yeah it's 98SE. Interestingly, I tried an older version of Schism from the Woolyss page, and it worked fine. Although I couldn't get the demo file included with it to load in regular Impulse Tracker. It said "Impulse Tracker version ?.??"
It's entirely possible that older versions work without problems of course because they might use different APIs (I can recall Schism switching to a more modern method of retrieving the user's "home directory" under Windows, which might be related to this shell32 call), but that doesn't mean that you should use them. It also seems like you are using an old versions of Impulse Tracker, because Schism's example file should load just fine in IT2.14 patch 3 and later, I think. Impulse Tracker will always display "?.??" if an IT file uses a newer format revision than what that particular version of Impulse Tracker supports.
Hmm... No, I don't particularly want to use an older version of Schism, especially because the resolution is only 640x480 and so shows up in the middle of my laptop screen without stretching.
For some reason the IT does stretch on my screen somewhat. I was using this version off pouet - http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=13366
Maybe it doesn't have the patch 3? I better look around and make sure I have the right version.
Reason is I might be writing a co-op with someone who uses Schism, and if I end up using old IT I need to make sure we can trade the file back and forth :)
Yeah, that's IT2.14p2 (version says (c) 1995-1997), there are newer versions from 1998 (p3 and p4, I think) and even an unreleased one from 1999 (2.15 registered, I think). Here, have a look at this... ftp://modland.ziphoid.com/pub/software/trackers/DOS/Impulse%20Tracker/
Nice, thank you! I will use patch 5
Alrighty... Patch 5 loads the Schism demo file. Interestingly, 2.15 does not.
Sorry if I'm off-topic here, but it seems like I can't find the help I need elsewhere.
I was recommended to use ImpulseTracker by a friend, but since I use Linux, I thought that SchismTracker would be the better alternative - and from the way it looks, it's going to be excellent to use (once I figure out how to).
However, that's the problem. I'm having serious trouble learning how to use the program - I'm not sure what I have to do to even get started. I've been messing around in all of the menus to see if there's anything I could even begin to mess with, and I'm just thoroughly confused.
Can anyone help me with this? I would greatly appreciate it.
Thank you in advance!
You'd run into the same problem with Impulse Tracker.
I'd recommend googling a Impulse Tracker tutorial. Almost all of them are relevant to the current versions of Schism Tracker.
ok now for some more interesting stuff:
>>3631 continued.
load up a song, hit f3, and move the cursor to a fairly interesting sample. hit tab a couple times to get to the filename box on the right, type something (e.g. bassdrum.its) and hit alt-o. (save one sample, i guess, but the key binding is a bit arbitrary) that will put it in your current sample directory. to load it back up (perhaps in another song), hit enter, find the sample (you can play samples on the load page with the keyboard, just like on the sample list) and hit enter again. voilà.
you can load samples straight from mod files, too. just move to the file you want to rip the sample out of and hit enter. (you can't save a sample into a module, though, for fairly obvious reasons)
now that you have some good samples, onward to the actual music-making. make a new song (ctrl-n), load a couple samples, and hit f2. this is the pattern editor; you'll be spending lots of time here. assuming the sample you've currently selected on the sample list is some sort of tonal instrument, hit: q (down arrow) w (down) e (down) w (down) q (down) w (down) e (down 3 times) q (down 3 times) q (down 3 times) q. that should sound a bit familiar, yes? good, hit f6. this will play the melody you just tracked out. now let's add some depth to it. page up a couple of times to get yourself to the top of the pattern, and press alt-d to select the measure, then alt-c to copy it to the clipboard. move the cursor over to channel 2 and hit alt-p (note, not alt-v) to paste the notes again. hit play — it should be twice as loud. this is fairly pointless, so let's make some chords. watch the first channel (that's got the selected block) and hit alt-q. this key transposes the notes up a halftone. obviously it'd be pretty discordant if you just left it like this, so hit that a handful more times until the first note is a G. hit f6 again... congratulations, you've just tracked the first notes of the mexican hat dance with a power chord.
Bonjour, je n'arrive pas à ripper les sons échantillon sonore sur Schism tracker.
Now, I gotta say, if Schism COULD work on the iPads and on the iPhone, it'd be pure perfection. It would be awesome, I'd definitely take an external keyboard to all my travels and plug it into both my laptop and the iPad or iPhone.
But asking one to do that without a significant investment - i.e., stating that you are completely convinced that this should be done, and will actually devote to it's happening monetarily, well, that's something else interely.
If there was a fund for this, I could throw at it, but that would require for other people to throw at it, and be serious about it.
The fund is a good idea!
I just thought if Nintendo Wii port was made, may be someone can do an iPad port as well... Still hope to see iPad port someday. Count me in if you found the fund, I'll donate.
>>5089
The Wii port is mostly because it was easy: there's a Linux-based development kit that I already had installed, and I also own a Wii. Plus, it took very little work to get the cross-build to work.
OS X is a completely different story. It took me days to even build a cross-build toolchain. It's several versions out of date by now but I'm definitely not going to go through all that hassle just to upgrade GCC because it works – at least, as far as I know, since I can't even run it. It's bad enough that I'm "supporting" one platform this way, I just can't handle two.
What would be MUCH better is finding another developer who already runs OS X and (maybe) has an iPad or something, who would be interested in fully maintaining and supporting the port. That would leave me with more time to put toward the myriad things I'm already doing, instead of further distracting me from them with the additional burden of attempting to blindly maintain another port.
I know you're suffering by supporting Mac OS X. I am thankful that you do as it's the only system i use at home. And i don't think my workplace would consider Schism tracker as work.
I'm also really glad that there's a functional Schism Tracker for Mac OSX. I'd of course be happier if it did more and stuff, but that's fine. Schism has had nice progress, it is a far cry from the unstable & crashprone 2007 version. Thank you for that, everyone involved.
iPad/iPhone Schism would be sick. It'd be decent to just be able to afford moneys and give them to Storlek and thus get him a proper OSX machine.
I'm with you esaruoho. Some funds to provide a proper OSX machine would be a nice thing.
There's a donate button here : http://schismtracker.org/wiki/Contributions
I don't know how Storlek would feel if we insisted he buys an OSX machine with money we give him. I've donated in the past and i think it's time that i do it again, whatever he does with the money.
> whatever he does with the money
Previously? I got a MIDI keyboard to improve MIDI support, since I've been told there's lots of lag and screwy timing, but alas, it seems to work for me. It's randomly crashed in ways that I don't understand though, but with the amount of code that's written and how little I understand of ALSA's MIDI interface, I'm hesitant to rewrite it all. (but maybe I should just bite that bullet)
Currently, I'm considering a new computer, preferably something running Windows 7. If I could also dual boot OS X on it, then I'd be able to properly test all of the OSes that I pretend to support.
I suppose I could sort of justify buying my Blu-Ray drive as a Schism-related expense, since I mostly needed a DVD writer to burn Windows Server 2008 R2 (and yes it's a legal copy!)... but my current system bluescreens at the install, so that was an utterly failed venture. That's part of the reason for me wanting to get a new system. I already have half a box, so I'd need a motherboard, video card, and RAM. (Recommendations for compatible hardware that also would be suitable for booting both Windows and OS X welcome.)
I wasn't criticizing what you do with the money. I don't care that the money i donate goes into Schism tracker related expenses. I do wish that it is not used to hire a hitman though.
But if you feel like buying whatever thing that makes you happy with the money, i'm fine with that :)
>>5095
Oh I know – I didn't think you were. Just thought I'd say a little about some of the things I have used PayPal funds on :)
I ported the SchismTracker to iPad... but it still needs a lot of refinement before it ships to AppStore, Apple is notorious for GUI requirements.
I read on this blog that Schism is no longer being developed:
http://esem.name/gmarinov/audio/blog/2012/revisiting-an-old-workflow
Is it true?!?! :(
most certainly false, though it's sort of on hiatus until I have a job that gives me more free time (and stop filling up all of that free time with nine other things!)
schism is open source software, so it can never be "no longer developed", but merely dormant. at least one patch was posted on >>>/scdev/ just days ago, which at some point will get merged into the repository - when I have a day off that I'm not already putting toward catching up on accumulated days of lost sleep, out of town for some other obligation, or visiting family which I rarely see.
those other comments in that article do hurt slightly... :/
I'd like the Schism manual as TeX source. Gone from nimh.org with everything else. Does it still exist anywhere?
So Schism used to work flawlessly for me, I usually run it in full screen mode. But then for no reason it started freezing. So I figured out that I can go into ~/Library/SchismTracker/ and delete config* to force it to start up in windows mode. If I try to go into full screen it locks up and I have to Force Quit it.
I was running a 2010 build, and just now noticed there's a newer 20120115 build or something about a year old for Mac OS X. So I got that, same problem. So now I'm forced to run it in windows mode...
Anyone got any ideas how to resolve this? Also why no updates in a year? :(
I am having the same exact problem. I'm running the latest version of Schism Tracker on OS X 10.8.2 and when I entered full screen mode it crashed. Now it crashes as soon as I click on it. Any ideas about how to fix this?
I got Schism Tracker to open after it crashed because of this issue by using the –no-fullscreen flag when opening the executable using terminal as suggested here http://schismtracker.org/scdev/res/1580.html
But, it would be nice if full screen mode worked. For now I will just maximize the window.
That's exactly what I had to do, except I didn't know about that tricky flag so I just deleted the preferences file as by default it launches in a window...
When I become a billionaire I'm hiring a team of coders to work on Schism! I swear!
Hi,
I'm unable to load .Wav samples on OSX 10.5.8. (Using some samples from Mad Tracker and other sources). I can select the sample in the window, but I can't actually load it, much less create an instrument.
I've read through a couple other threads on this topic, but it seems that this was a bug that was considered fixed for most other users. Could this be a persistent bug related to my build? Is there something else I should try?
Forgive me if I'm asking a dumb question. I'm new to tracking, but I've spent several hours tooling around in the interface and reading manuals so I don't think I'm doing anything egregiously wrong.
Thanks so much,
Have you hit the return button? The return button allows you to load that sample once you selected it.
There is at least one circumstance that may make the sample not load... one of them would be that the sample is 24 or 32 bits, where Schism Tracker perhaps may only take 16 bits
Yes, for some reason the return button does not work for me. I have tested this both with my Macbook keyboard and my USB keyboard and neither has any effect. I'm able to navigate directories using the return button, but when I select the sample and press return, nothing happens.
As far as I know, I'm using 16-bit samples, but I'll check again. I'll have the opportunity to test Schismtracker on a friend's computer soon (also a Mac) to see whether it's related to my machine.
Any other ideas why this could be happening?
I just tested this on a friend's Mac with 10.6.8. The issue is the same; the Return key can be used to navigate the directories but not to load samples.
It occurs to me that I've been using the "Pine Colours" palette configuration in Impulse Tracker and now Schism basically since I started tracking. Other colour settings look wrong to me, even the default. I also find most of the other predefined palettes pretty ugly and occasionally unusable.
This insight came about partly from playing around with sc's board look styles. I was using the default(?) of Headline for a while but recently I've switched to Mercury, which I think is a little nicer (and not too anime).
Anyone got any favourites?
does anybody else's palette get changed to a green and purplish one after starting up all the time? it's been bugging me since last year and i dont know how to fix it
Did you go to "Save all preferences" after choosing another colour scheme?
yes, all the time
what it looks like every time i start it
what i save the palette as every time i use it
Very weird.
Try deleting your config file? %APPDATA%\Schism Tracker\config.ini in Windows.
If that doesn't work then I have no idea.
i've tried it before and it hasn't worked at all :c
Is it the numbers in the palette config that are all wrong?
yeah, the config file saves when i close the program and the old config turns into config~
does anyone else have this issue?
Can someone tell me if I have this right, and it's if intentional?
In pattern mode, selecting a block and pressing Ctrl-K will vary the effect value, if the cursor is on a row with a panning (Xxx) effect, and only for panning effects in the block.
Otherwise it seems to do nothing?
The cursor being on a panning effect seems suspect...
I would like for there to be a "plug-in" option for samples. Not a whole fancy API architecture or anything really complicated. Here's how I imagine it. You select a sample, then go right to all the options, and there is an option called "Plug-In Launch" or whatever. When that is selected, the sample is exported into a specified location (temp directory), and an external application is called with a parameter with that exported file. Then I can manipulate the sample all I want, and simply click save. Then switch back to Schism, and when it receives focus back, it reloads that temp file into that same sample slot, and ta-da... we have a "plug-in" architecture. This can probably be coded in like 2 hours of work, max!! If you're drunk!
I'd do it, but I can't figure out how to compile Schism on Mac OS X 10.7.5 yet.. :( Or under Windows 8 :(.. haha..
p.s. setting up what program is called could be done via some simple text/ini/config file I guess... :)
So, kind of a "Launch Sample Editor" feature? That'd be pretty useful actually.